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You were born on Thanksgiving Day.
That's right. Right after turkey dinner.
In Louisiana what part?
I was born in Alexandria, which is right in the middle of the state
and then we moved to a town called Jonesville, where my father was
a Baptist minister for 40 years.
In that part of Louisiana did you get
much Cajun influence?
Some. Everybody makes gumbo, plus we took regular trips to New Orleans,
about once a month, sort of have a night on the town, eat some good
food. My parents loved spicy things, strong coffee, all those south
Louisiana things.
My dad was a good cook. He was a great barbecuer. He made the best
barbecued chicken I ever had. My mother is still a good Southern
cook. Lots of wonderful vegetables. Sweets are her specialties.
And then my grandmother was a great cook.
A lot of cooking from scratch?
Most everything. Vegetables right out of the garden. Being the minister,
everyone would bring my dad wonderful things: bushels of corn and
beans, sides of beef. We ate very well.
I lived in Louisiana until I was almost 30. I went to a Baptist
College near my home. Then to New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary
where I earned a master's and spent two years working as public
relations director for the Southern Baptist Convention. And then
I taught school four years in New Orleans, was an interior designer
for a year and then headed to New York in 1969.
That would have been an interesting
time to be in New York.
It was. I had a lot of friends in the theater so I got to sit on
the stage of Hair one night. Sat with the band and watched
the show. I was at the opening night of Jesus Christ Superstar
and at the cast party. It was really a fun time.
At what point did you know that food
was going to be an interesting part of your life?
I had always known that food was going to be an interesting part
of my life. I never thought it would be professional. It sort of
grew into that after a move to California in 1974.
I started writing for Ortho, the chemical people, doing garden
books. Then they decided they wanted to do a book where you would
grow your own vegetables and turn them into pickles. And they said,
Would you like to do that book? Thats how I did,
All About Pickling. And I enjoyed the food writing so
much more than the garden writing, I never went back. I did about
five food books for Ortho. One of those was called The Complete
Book of Picnics. I decided from that that I would start a
catering company that would stage outrageous picnics. Connected
to that was a gourmet take-out store. When that closed, the recipes
that I had done for the store led to my first cookbook for Chronicle
Books in 1985, called Cold Pasta.
Was it more work or less going from
catering to writing cookbooks?
There are periods in writing cookbooks when youre working
nonstop, meeting the deadline and its exhausting. Then there
are periods when you can relax, when youre researching, developing
a new recipe. You have time to take walks and play with the dog.
What were your impressions of Napa Valley
the first time you visited here?
I would say love at first sight. Living in San Francisco, I started
coming up on day trips in 1975. But that was like once a year. When
I was invited to judge the first Burger Cookoff in 1990 I spent
several days here. The idea started growing in the back of my mind
that Id like to live here someday. Then the following year,
my partner died and I came up on Labor Day to spend the day with
my sister; she had just moved to St. Helena. And my dog Zeke, who
was nine months old, got out of the car that night and disappeared.
He was lost for ten-and-a-half weeks in Napa Valley. And I spent
so much time here that I decided, This is the time to do it.
I needed the quiet peacefulness, the solace, of Napa Valley. And
I bought a house up on Meadowood Lane. And to make a very long story
short, I got Zeke back at the exact hour that I opened the door
to my new home.
Does it matter that you live here, in
terms of the kinds of books youre producing, the ideas youre
dealing with?
I am influenced of course by wine and by the casual elegant lifestyle.
Im writing about simpler food than I was, say, in the 80s.
Just taking advantage of fresh, wonderful ingredients. And not mucking
them up too much.
Where do you get the recipes?
Research. And one of the best ways for a cookbook author to research
is going to restaurants. Eating out. Taking notes either mentally
or literally. Trying to replicate that at home.
Say youre in a restaurant eating
a dish you really like do you have the ability to analyze
whats in it?
I usually do. Sometimes Im fooled. But I usually come close
to it. I come home and play with it. Sometimes I improve it; sometimes
I give up on it. And there are some chefs I feel comfortable asking
questions about recipes. I always try to give credit in the books
as to where the ideas came from.
Youve written a lot of books.
Whats the latest count?
I have just published my 40th cookbook, which is Afternoon
Delights.
How did Afternoon
Delights
come about?
Andrew Moore, my partner, has helped me on the last seven or eight
books. Hes also a wonderful food editor and he runs the test
kitchen. So what we did was everywhere wed go around the country,
wed check out the coffee houses and all the local places,
tea shops, to see what they served in the afternoon. We compiled
a list of what everyone had in common and we created what we considered
the best recipe for things like lemon bars and brownies, chocolate
chip cookies and carmelitas. So thats what it is. Things that
go with coffee and tea.
So you and Andrew have gotten to go
around the country to a bunch of coffee shops eating all this food.
[Laughs] Not a bad way to make a living.
Whats next for you?
Im not sure. In the back of my mind, I have this growing desire
to write about my heritage. I included Louisiana recipes in all
of my other books. But I have a lot of stories from growing up,
and food was such an important part of culture and life in Louisiana,
that I would really like to do a big book on that.
I was interested in the Southern Baptist
minister part of your background. Thereve been a lot of people
whove begun as a priest or a minister, whove gone on
to do other things.
Bill Moyers.
Yes. I just wonder if theres something
that translates from one kind of work into another. Translates into
a different kind of gospel?
Well I think Ive spread the gospel of good food. And a friend
of mine whos known me forever, he said, I think youve
really ministered to more people teaching them to cook and bringing
their families together around a table than you would have standing
behind a pulpit.
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